Monday, November 24, 2008

Mormons Makin' Trouble

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Bush shakes hands with the head of the Mormon cult, vicious bigot Thomas Monson

Dan Wentzel reported a bus driver, a homophobic bigot, to the L.A. Transit Authority after he insulted gay protesters. Dan feels guilty. He's all torn up. "The driver has a right to free speech and is entitled to his beliefs and opinions-- and his bigotry-- just like everyone else. However, he was a public employee in uniform, on the clock... I found myself with a moral dilemma. What if this person was fired as a result of my complaint? These are tough economic times. Would he find another job? What if he was just having a really bad day?" He spent 2 days going back and forth trying to decide what to do. Finally he made up his mind to report the bigot.

What if he was fired? Isn't that the whole point? What if he can't find another job? What if he can't pay his rent and gets evicted? What if he starves? Revolutions that succeed don't let these kinds of things get in the way, not to the point of inaction. Dan did the right thing. He didn't pull out a gun and shoot the bigot. He didn't follow him home and set his house on fire.

Today's Washington Post has another story about standing up to homophobia-- but to the organized, institutionalized kind: the filthy Mormon cult which has used tens of millions of dollars-- perhaps some of it illegally-- to spew its obsessive, crazed hatred. Long ago Mormon zombies started seeping out of Utah and infecting other states in the West, particularly Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, Arizona and California. And wherever they go, they strive to grasp political power for their bizarre satanic cult. Americans barely beat back an attempt by one of them, Mitt Romney, to take over the White House this year.

Ironically, the Mormons in political office are not all of one mind. Sure, most are dangerous reactionary scum, but there are also decent progressive officials who were born into-- or even adopted-- Mormonism and who have been a force for good. There will be 2 less Mormons in Congress in 2008 than there were in 2006. The Senate was a wash, where Mormon Gordon Smith (R-OR) was defeated for re-election by Jeff Merkley but where progressive Democrat (and Mormon) Tom Udall replaced conservative non-Mormon Pete Domenici in New Mexico. Of the other 4 senatorial Mormons, 3 are far right extremist Republicans-- Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Robert Bennett (R-UT) and Mike Crapo (R-ID)-- and one is a moderate Democrat, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).

The net loss for Mormons comes in the House, where New Mexico's Udall was replaced by Ben Lujan, and where another Mormon, John Doolittle (R-CA) was indicted on bribery charges and forced to resign. The only new Mormon elected is a lunatic fringe wingnut, Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) who replaced a more mainstream conservative Chris Cannon, also a Mormon, of course. Although it isn't official, only Mormons can be elected to high office in backward, theocratic Utah. The other two House members from Utah are far right Rob Bishop (R) and conservative Jim Matheson (D). The other 5 Mormon members of the House are all extreme right-wing Republicans, Mike Simpson (R-ID), Dean Heller (R-NV), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Wally Herger (R-CA), and Buck McKeon (R-CA). Their voting records are almost identical: rubber stamp Republican extremists, reflecting a hard core, intolerant Mormon perspective rather than an American one.

The Mormons were the driving force behind the viciously homophobic and anti-American Prop 8 that they managed to narrowly pass in California, targeting gay families for unbearable Nazi-like discrimination. Now they're whining that gays are acting mean towards them. Yet no one has bombed any of their cult centers or perpetrated any violence towards them. Gay leaders are unanimously urging angry victims of Mormon bigotry and hatred to focus on love and compassion and to never turn towards violence. Gays are always reminded-- and rightfully so-- that it is only the evil Cult leaders and their brainwashed believers and not all Mormons who are the progenitors of the bigotry. There are Mormons who fought against the divisive proposition. As the Post reminds us, "There are Mormons so upset they're thinking of renouncing their church membership as well as Mormons who wholeheartedly supported the initiative."
It's unusual for an institution to shrink from responsibility for a victory at the ballot box. But being Mormon isn't quite like being, say, Southern Baptist. The highly centralized LDS church makes a lot of Americans nervous, and it has done so since Joseph Smith founded the movement, which was driven out of state after state before settling in the Salt Lake Valley. Where some see an efficient religious organization that requires unusual devotion from its members, others see conspiracy, even cult.

It's an impression that has its roots in, among other things, the church's practice of polygamy in the 19th century, and it has been self-reinforcing since. Non-Mormons see the church as outside the mainstream; Mormons feel under attack, which fosters a tight communalism within their congregations, and they try to avoid confrontation. Hence [cult spokesman Michael] Otterson doing his best to play down the role church members had in the victory of Proposition 8 in the face of throngs demonstrating in front of temples.

Mormons all over the world are complaining that their cult's interference in California has been a PR disaster and that potential converts are slamming the doors in the faces of the 52,000 brain-sucking zombies the Mormons send out to recruit new members into the cult. Still, the top cult leaders, particularly the newly installed foul chief Mormon who instigated the whole thing, Thomas Monson, say the whole disgraceful episode was a net plus because they were able to bond with other extremist religionist groups, groups that have traditionally targeted the Mormons for their anti-Christian practices.

The Mormons have never come to grips with their own vile history. It defines what they are today:

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13 Comments:

At 4:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Three word to google.

"Mountain Meadows Massacre"

Look 'em up.

 
At 11:23 PM, Blogger arc said...

For someone that wants understanding, you are so hateful that you can't see anything.

Pres. Thomas Monson is one of the nicest people I have ever met. Who else would just show up at a funeral or viewing, or nursing home to cheer up someone.

You obviously have no clue what the "mormoms" believe or teach. You don't realize that they contribute to helping many people throughout the world, no matter the religion.

You also pick on Chaffetz, who replaced Cannon because people were tired of him voting for things that even he didn't support.

Try reading:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/

especially:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/same-gender-attraction

and perhaps you could loose the hate. You might still not agree, but at least you wouldn't just be a hateful idiot.

 
At 11:37 PM, Blogger arc said...

stormcrow..
Try reading
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/the-mountain-meadows-massacre

You might learn something.

 
At 3:50 AM, Blogger Frankie Ray said...

I am very confused by this blog post about Mormons. IT seems that you blame the Mormons for the passage of Proposition 8 which is statistically impossible.

Consider this:
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1. Mormon (LDS) voters make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.

2. I have no idea how many people are homosexual, but I often hear the figure of 10%. If that is a reasonable estimate, then homosexuals in California outnumber Mormons by 5 to 1, so it would be impossible for Mormons to have been the reason Prop 8 won.


3. Exit polls show that Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote itself. I dont know for sure, but certainly Homosexual voters were more than 5% of the vote, weren't they?


4. The "No on 8" campaign raised more money than the "Yes on 8" campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.

5. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama.

6. I have no idea how many African Americans are in California, but I would assume it is more than 2%...isn't it?


7. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs, which is predominantly Catholic.

8. I have no idea how many Latinos are in California, but I would assume it is more than 2%...isn't it?

9. The "Yes on 8" coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims - all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. The LDS were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8
coalition members.

based on these facts, Why are you focusing on the smallest group of Prop 8 supporters and not the larger groups of Prop 8 supporters?

 
At 5:42 AM, Blogger arc said...

I guess you figure the Catholic Church, who had asked us for help in the first place is an "other extremist religionist" group?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Former-Catholic-Bishop-Salt-Lake/story.aspx?guid={BE149180-C54A-41B7-B3DC-14EAC89B5D6E}

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/catholic-bishops-decry-religious-bigotry-against-mormons

perhaps those that are throwing a fit for loosing can realize that the majority of states in the US have similar laws, constitutional amendments, etc.

Again, until you do a little more research, and not base your opinion on one article, you are just a hateful idiot.

 
At 6:05 AM, Blogger arc said...

Bishop William Weigand, head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento

“Catholics stand in solidarity with our Mormon brothers and sisters in support of traditional marriage — the union of one man and one woman — that has been the major building block of Western Civilization for millennia.

“The ProtectMarriage coalition, which led the successful campaign to pass Proposition 8, was an historic alliance of people from every faith and ethnicity. LDS were included — but so were Catholics and Jews, Evangelicals and Orthodox, African-Americans and Latinos, Asians and Anglos.

“Bigoted attacks on Mormons for the part they played in our coalition are shameful and ignore the reality that Mormon voters were only a small part of the groundswell that supported Proposition 8.

“As the former bishop of the Diocese of Salt Lake City, I can attest to the fact that followers of the Mormon faith are a good and generous people with a long history of commitment to family and giving to community causes.

“I personally decry the bigotry recently exhibited towards the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — coming from the opponents of Proposition 8, who ironically, have called those of us supporting traditional marriage intolerant.

“I call upon the supporters of same-sex marriage to live by their own words — and to refrain from discrimination against religion and to exercise tolerance for those who differ from them. I call upon them to accept the will of the people of California in the passage of Proposition 8.”

SOURCE: Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento

 
At 6:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You throw around the terms homophobe and bigot rather freely, and yet it sounds like you are a Mormonphobe and a bigot in your own right. Both "phobias" and bigotry are based on irrational fears and lack of understanding. Your shrill approach to attempting to make your point reduces your credibility among reasonable people rather than enhances it. Try to be a little more understanding of others if that is what you want FROM others to you and your cause(s).

 
At 10:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does your mom know you are on the computer?

 
At 11:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's some great links on what Mormons actually believe.

Ever hear of the descendants of Cain being cursed with black skin?

http://www.mrm.org/topics/miscellaneous/black-skin-and-seed-cain

How about Mormons thinking men can become Gods someday. That is really really weird.

http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/lincoln_cannon/archive/2008/08/08/4733.aspx

 
At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mormons you guys will love this one. Gordon B. Hinkley denied Mormon men think they will become Gods someday

http://www.irr.org/mit/hinckley.html

 
At 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think people should be so hard on Mormons. You have to figure whatever you were raised with, is what's normal to you.

If you were raised Jehovah's Witness, that will be normal to you.

If you were raised Baptist, that will be normal to you.

If you were raised in Scientology, that will be normal to you.

It's all relative to what you consider normal to be.

Whether it's the book of Mormon, the Bible, or Scientology, that's a lot of reading. Most people don't ever actually read all the information.

The belief system is handed down through other people, so they get a normalized version.

 
At 5:15 PM, Blogger dangermandownunder said...

Mark Twain had the mormons pegged long ago.
http://www.salamandersociety.com/marktwain/

 
At 9:49 AM, Blogger arc said...

Why did you add the video for September Dawn. You saw the movie over a year ago, said it was a terrible movie, just full of hate and not to go see it.

I guess you just got so full of hate that you like it now?


http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/08/september-dawn-has-nothing-to-do-with.html

Tonight I went to see September Dawn, thinking it might give me some insight into Mormonism and into the Romney campaign. I hope to God this terrible film has nothing to do with contemporary Mormons or with Mitt Romney. Not only do I hope it; I feel sure that that is the case.

The movie is so filled with hate and vileness that I would strongly suggest no one bother seeing it. I just came back from Mann's Chinese Theater. Aside from myself, there were 3 people in the theater. I'm certain that Mitt Romney would make a perfectly horrendous president, but that has nothing to do with Brigham Young or Joseph Smith; it has to do with his lack of character and his twisted vision of an America built on greed, selfishness, narrow bigotry and a pinched sense of divisiveness. Forget September Dawn and forget Mitt Romney; they both stink.

 

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